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| SpankyJake | Posted: 5/24/2001 11:51:00 AM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer Hahahahah!
Looks like Bush can talk to the hand now, with Jeffords going over the wall. The gridlock is hardening like Strom's arteries.
Will McCain follow?
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| BaRbArIaN | Posted: 5/24/2001 11:59:00 AM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer Gridlock is always a good thing, whether there is a demopublican or a republicrat majority.
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| Zardoz | Posted: 5/24/2001 1:48:00 PM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer |
Laugh if you want to...there is both good and bad coming out of this for sure.The Good: John McCain is marginalized, Trent Lott is a Bozo in store-bought hair. More good has come from Gridlock lately. Senate Republicans have become a complacent lot since becoming the majority in 1994 - they'll have to actually WORK now. The BAD: Hillary Clinton on the Senate Judiciary Committee (any chance of ANY investigation of her POSSIBLE involvement in a votes-for-pardons scheme or any other impropriety that may surface (she's as clean as a summer breeze, right)? Not now) Former members of the Clinton Administration popping up like WEEDS in every press outlet available (this has happened in such a way as to lead one to think it was ALL orchestrated). Sorry, of all the Senators the ones who to me are like fingernails across the blackboard are MOSTLY Democrats - Ted Kennedy, Tom Daschle, Christopher Dodd... But over all of that, the people who voted for this man primarily on the basis that he was a Republican have been screwed. There is often a reason to respect someone for publicly "jumping ship" because his or her ideology doesn't jive with the party they are affiliated with. In this case, you have someone who took money from one party and from hard -working supporters and 6 months later decided to bolt. He SHOULD have done this BEFORE the election. Sure, he's voted mostly along Democrat party lines so his being an Independent is much the same as being a Democrat in name. Bottom line is that this grandstanding may have as its consequence that Jim Jeffords may be targeted for political retrobution...for someone who is SUPPOSED to be working to benefit his constituents and working for ALL of our benefit, really will be far less effective now even if he is championing something worthwhile.Gridlock is a good thing? Yeah, in the last 8 years it was seen as such but who's to say that it will again. I don't like anything where we ALL lose and I very much believe that elevating Hillary Clinton the Socialist - which this DOES - is a step in the wrong direction.
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| SpankyJake | Posted: 5/24/2001 5:45:00 PM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer
Sorry Zar, I just can't agree. Fuck Hillary Clinton first off, THIS among many things is not about her. Secondly, he's served Vermont for a long time. He both was, and now remains that State's most popular pollitician. I don't cry much for people who vote by party and not past performance, I think that the Republican party got exactly what it paid for, and that Jeffords set a much needed precident.
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| Zardoz | Posted: 5/25/2001 9:15:00 AM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer |
I've voted for Democrats and Independents before...most of us here probably pay more attention to the person than party affiliation. I certainly put more stock in a person's ideology and voting record and I've never agreed with a politician any more than say 75% of the time. Could be that most Vermonters voted for Jeffords because of his record - that's the only way I could imagine a Republican winning in Vermont anyway. What I'm saying is that he should have done this BEFORE last November. I and most other people would have seen all of this as more of a principled decision if that were the case. If he had switched to Democrat instead of declaring himself Independent, it would have erased any doubt in a lot of people's minds that he was doing this to grandstand and gain whatever committee chair he was offered by Tom Daschle as a kind of "incentive". I'm not bothered, worried or in any way upset that HE did this per-se. His constituents are the ones that need to deal with their representative but Senators and Reps are seen as "belonging" to a state and representing that state and those citizens. The entire body is answerable to ALL US Citizens so when someone like Ted Kennedy, John McCain., Hillary CLinton or Ben "Nighthorse" Campbell proposes legislation, chairs a committee or votes on a measure it effects all of us and not just the people of the state that elected him or her. Speaking of Senator Campbell, he jumped from Dem to Republican in '94. His jumping ship did not change the majority party in the senate but Tom Daschle went on at length at the time about how Campbell should have resigned and taken part in a special election under his new party affiliation. Yes, FUCK HILLARY CLINTON and Chuck Schumer for that matter. I'm afraid it IS more about HER in the long run. Having Ms. "I Can't Recall" in any more powerful position than the one she's been elected to is a bad thing.....but that very well could be the outcome of Mr. Jeffords' battle with his conscience. Whatever pork Mr. Jeffords was trying to win for the dairy industry in Vermont will dissappear....do I give a flying fuck about that? No. Let Ben and Jerry's deal with moo juice issues (it's owned by a British company now anyway). Putting Bill Clinton's wife on/in or in charge of the Senate Judiciary Committee (or any other regulatory/legislative body)is like putting Robert Downey Jr. in charge of the DEA's evidence locker. I see the shakeup as good OTHER than the Mrs. Clinton bit....LYING FUCKING SOCIALIST.
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| TheInfamousThey | Posted: 5/25/2001 10:58:00 AM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer Jeffords' political career is fucked now. I give it about 2 months before he's recalled by his constituency. Don't think that for one minute that GW isn't conceiving ways to ruin Benedict Arnold, er, Jeffords. I hope one of Jeffords fag constituents sodomizes him with a statue of Jane Reno.
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| MasterReprisaler | Posted: 5/25/2001 1:08:00 PM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer You put too much stock in Dubya, TIT. He'll also be out of the game in 2004.
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| SpankyJake | Posted: 5/25/2001 1:40:00 PM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer
-What I'm getting at Zardoz is this. Jeffords in many ways did misrepresent himself as a Republican, and that all things being equal he should have switched before the election. However, all things are not equal. We are supposed to elect individuals to represent us, not one of two collective political organizations. I support any Senator who takes money from either party and then splits, because I hate the two parties. I see them as a much larger, more real, and persistant of a threat than any individual person could be, even if they are Thrillary.
-Such negativity tit. Leave it to a PhD to equate leaving a political party with treason. You're so invested in your half of the two party system that I doubt you'll ever see how you're supporting the other half.
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| TheInfamousThey | Posted: 5/25/2001 7:25:00 PM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer
Quote: You put too much stock in Dubya, TIT. He'll also be out of the game in 2004.
Betcha $5 he gets a second term. Mark my words. If Adolf KKKlinton can do it, GW sure can. *chuckle, burp*
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| MasterReprisaler | Posted: 5/26/2001 12:08:00 AM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer |
No need to take my word for it. Take that of the voters in '04. When you take a clearly SPLIT electoral decision and take it as a MANDATE to run in one extreme or the other, you are going to piss off A LOT of people. Bush ran as a moderate and is now running the government as an ultra-conservative. That fact may be all and good with those whom are also ultra-conservative, but the majority of people in the country do not favor either side of the political spectrum in extreme. It's these people -- the moderates -- who decide all outcomes in elections. It's apparently the moderates who gave Bush the benefit of the doubt in this latest presidential decision. It's also the moderates who are finding themselves alienated from the candidate they trusted more to lead the nation as a result of his post-election shift to the far right. Logically, these people are the last individuals you would want to make angry with you when seeking re-election. However, if Bush and his administration continue along the hard-right track the way that they have been going, then they will be out of the White House in 2004 -- a result of the moderate response at the polls. Why did Clinton win eight years in office? That's easy -- he was a centrist, not a leftist. That should be even more glaringly obvious in light of the current administration.
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| TheInfamousThey | Posted: 5/26/2001 4:04:00 PM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer No, Bill Clinton lied that he was a centrist the first time he got elected (and most of us couldn't stand Geroge II's whining). The second time it was election fraud (Thanx to all my old friends at the NSA for informing me of that one. No kidding). Bill Clinton wasn't a Socialist: he was a fucking subersive commie bastard of the worst kind. He had only contempt for the Constitution and the American Sheeple People.
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| UncleBob | Posted: 5/26/2001 7:22:00 PM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer
Quote: He had only contempt for the Constitution and the American Sheeple People.
Unlike his successor, right?
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| RichardCranium | Posted: 5/27/2001 10:48:00 AM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer |
Clinton could shit gold bricks and give them away for free while W just shit on everyone and wiped his ass with the constitution and tit would still go on rambling about Clinton being an evil bastard. Funny how things never seem to change, huh guys? The one (tit) who was crying the loudest (well, maybe second loudest) about wanting to forget about the Clintons and "move on" is the same one who keeps bringing them up in every fucking political topic. This topic was about the shift in power, and how W is alienating his own party with his two talking bullshit- and somehow someone (not naming names) drags a man who isn't even in office anymore into this. Fucking two months since I stopped checking in regularly now- and he's still rattling on about Clinton. Why don't you get a fucking room with the man tit? You're closet love for him shows with every post. Remember, the opposite of love is... No, not "hate"- The opposite of love is indifference. Hate is just love 'morphed.
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| elnino | Posted: 5/27/2001 7:09:00 PM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer "It's worse to be ignored than insulted" in action?
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| RichardCranium | Posted: 5/27/2001 7:12:00 PM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer Yeah, that's sort of like what I was talking about Corey.
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| TheInfamousThey | Posted: 5/28/2001 11:53:00 AM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer UB: Quote: Quote: He had only contempt for the Constitution and the American Sheeple People.
Unlike his successor, right?
Just what did GW do that's a violation of the Constitution? (Not that Canadians understand anything about the US Constitution given the fact that Canadians get their rights granted to them by the Government). There's a special place in hell for Bill Clinton.
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| UncleBob | Posted: 5/28/2001 1:37:00 PM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer
Gee, let's see Apart from limiting free speech right to abortion providers who partake in the gvmnt dole, and apart from extending eminent domain laws to big oil and friends and apart from trying to undermine the judicial system by appointing extremeist clowns to the supreme court and apart from threatening your health (and mine) by giving the fed environment portfolio to a corporate mouthpiece and apart from threatening your security (and mine - abm) abroad by acting like a pompous idiot who goes out of his way to sink any treaty that requires cooperation or respect of any non-us "people" ... Apart from that tit, I really can't think of anything Guess you got me there. Good one.
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| TheInfamousThey | Posted: 5/29/2001 11:52:00 AM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer Unfortunately, "Free Trade" and cooperation with the "non-US People" ammounts to welfare for third world nations and disfunctional socialist nations, all at the expense of the American Tax-Payer. For some reason, there's a lot of people out there that have the warped idea that the US is somehow obligated to shovel it's wealth down the rat-hole supporting the otherwise defuct economies and backrupt socialist regimes ranging from some nig-nog African dictator right up to the United Kingdom. And for that matter, Canada. If the US economy folds, you're all fucked, and there's no use in denying that. Yeah, all you non-US people hate our fuking guts, but you love our money. Sink or swim fella's; you're on you own.
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| UncleBob | Posted: 5/29/2001 12:31:00 PM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer
Get bent yankee, if you're so sure the entire planet swings from your nutsac why don't you do a collective 1939 and stew in a big isolationist cesspool for the next 50 years. We'll sell to the chinese, no problem. The world CAN survive without doritos and "friends", believe it or not.
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| RichardCranium | Posted: 5/29/2001 1:57:00 PM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer 1939? Try 1925-1941..... And THAT'S a fucking fact. Gotta go with Bob on this one- he was probably being CONSERVATIVE just to be nice.....
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| FelixTheEngine | Posted: 5/30/2001 9:56:00 AM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer
Quote: We'll sell to the chinese, no problem.
ONE problem, Without US dollars the Chinese won't be able to BUY anything.
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| TheInfamousThey | Posted: 5/30/2001 10:56:00 AM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer UB: Quote: Get bent yankee
How dare you call me 'Yankee'. That's an insult beyond comprehension to a Southern, Dyed in the wool, Battle Flag wavin', Southern Nationalist and Secessionist! How would you like to be called a "Froggy Quebois Nigger-of-the-North" if you were an Anglo? Parle vous "Franglaise"? Besides, I don't think that the whole world swings from The US's nutsack. Only Canada. And Canada's a toupé, at best. Good point, though, UB.
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| UncleBob | Posted: 5/30/2001 11:51:00 AM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer
Quote: Quote: We'll sell to the chinese, no problem.
ONE problem, Without US dollars the Chinese won't be able to BUY anything.
Name one industry that can't be replaced by a canadian or european one.. Thought so
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| FelixTheEngine | Posted: 5/30/2001 4:29:00 PM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer
Quote: Name one industry that can't be replaced by a canadian or european one..
What is the tech industry? I'll take economics for $400, Alex.
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| hogeye | Posted: 5/30/2001 5:04:00 PM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer TIT: Unfortunately, "Free Trade" and cooperation with the "non-US People" ammounts to welfare for third world nations and disfunctional socialist nations, all at the expense of the American Tax-Payer. I don't see how free trade, allowing people to engage in voluntary transactions, can possibly be construed as welfare, robbing some to pay others. Can you explain, TIT?
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| UncleBob | Posted: 5/30/2001 6:12:00 PM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer Bzzt... wrong answer. All your manufacturing is done overseas anyways, Intel and friends will just give you the finger and move their head office to Germany ( or Canada) if you try to tell em what to do. Apart from certain niche markets in the PC industry all the important stuff is done better elsewhere (telecomunications, consumer electronics, semiconductor production, reliable operating systems, cryptography, artificial intelligence, robotics, wireless, etc etc etc) All we'd miss is the next incarnation of Microsoft Windows and Quake 4, boo hoo. You're expendable, face it
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| FelixTheEngine | Posted: 5/31/2001 11:11:00 AM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer |
The tech industry is not about manufacturing it is about innovation. The reason we are the strongest nation, the corner stone of the world’s economy, is not because of our vast natural resources, our wonderful centralized location as a trade port or our ability to mimic the technology of other countries. It is because of our freedom, as it has always been. Freedom breeds innovation and as long as we remain free we will remain the worlds most innovative nation and the world’s only Superpower. People with a boot on their neck do not make good innovators. Nor can the make the best use of said innovation. Let Intel and friends go to Germany or Canada, stagnation is not good for business. Manufacturing the products and developing the products are at opposite ends of the spectrum, you can train monkeys to bang a hammer but they can’t design the Binford 3000 Super Nail Knocker with the ergonomic handle and the anti vibro tuning fork in the handle. We do as the rich have always done; we give the shit work to someone else. And I do believe that you are confusing cheaper with better. Windows sucks ass and if you don’t have anything better to do than wait for Quake 4, get a life. You would find out very quickly how expendable we are when you tried to “sell to the Chinese”. Hope you are extremely fond of rice and soy beans, ‘cause after a while, that’s all they would have to pay you. If Canada is so great: Please explain why it is that Canada is still a second rate colony to a third rate world power when our respective countries started in the same position in the world with more or less the same people. And don’t try to blame it on the French or give me any BS about how it was too cold outside to become a Superpower.
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| SpankyJake | Posted: 5/31/2001 12:11:00 PM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer
So you're saying Germans don't know design work?
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| UncleBob | Posted: 5/31/2001 1:02:00 PM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer |
Quote: The tech industry is not about manufacturing it is about innovation. The reason we are the strongest nation, the corner stone of the world?s economy, is not because of our vast natural resources, our wonderful centralized location as a trade port or our ability to mimic the technology of other countries. It is because of our freedom, as it has always been. Freedom breeds innovation and as long as we remain free we will remain the worlds most innovative nation and the world?s only Superpower.
And that's why the Nazis had the best aerospace technology (by FAR) and the ruissans got the first man in space. Do you hear yankee doodle dandy when you fart Tit? That's the thickest load of shit I've heard since Bush's (sorry, Cheney's) energy policy. What's next? Is disney gonna make another revisionist movie replacing Yuri Gagarine with Ben Affleck, of better yet cast Robert DeNero as Robert Oppenheimer, Danny Devito as Louis Pasteur ? Why not, you stole credit from the Brits in U-571 and covered up FDR human scrifice of the pacific fleet in Pearl Harbor. You should put down your dog eared copy of "The road ahead" tit, you're staring to believe the microsoft drivel that america has a petent on innovation.
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| FelixTheEngine | Posted: 5/31/2001 3:12:00 PM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer |
LOL!!! I'm sincerely flattered that you would confuse me with TheInfamousThey. It is true what they say about great minds. HEH!HEH!HEH! Quote: And that's why the Nazis had the best aerospace technology (by FAR) and the ruissans got the first man in space.
Ah, you partly prove my point, the Germans would have won the war had it not been for that fabled "BOOT". And as far as the Russians getting a man into space first (using German technology) - They killed a lot of people doing it, safety for the guy going wasn't a priority. And yes, the Germans do know design work, hell the stealth bomber is BASED on a WWII German design, Spanky. They find what works and they call it good, that is why you can't tell a new German cars from the ones made 5 years ago, it is happening here too. Look at what the Germans are doing to Chrysler. See, now there is no innovation for a company that only a few years ago was one of the MOST innovative. My point is that freedom is that which allows innovation to flourish. Without freedom innovation stagnates. To simplify: NO FREEDOM = TOTAL STAGNATION UB you still haven't answered my question. If Canada is so great: Please explain why it is that Canada is still a second rate colony to a third rate world power when our respective countries started in the same position in the world with more or less the same people.
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| UncleBob | Posted: 5/31/2001 3:26:00 PM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer If you're asking me how Canada managed to achive independance in a civilised and bloodless manner that truly exemplifed the triumph of democracy and common sense over the path of violence, slavery and bloodshed that exemplified the "might makes right" attitude so dearly held by our neighbors to the south. Well I guess it's just because we're decent people.
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| FelixTheEngine | Posted: 5/31/2001 3:50:00 PM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer
Quote: Well I guess it's just because we're decent people.
Soooo, what you are saying is that it WAS too cold outside to become a Superpower? Thats ok we sill love your ah....trees, yeah trees, and uh beer.
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| UncleBob | Posted: 5/31/2001 4:03:00 PM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer And we love your fair trade practices, your even handed foreign policy, your thrify, waste adverse consumer culture and your wonderfully humble and unpretentious leadership.
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| TheInfamousThey | Posted: 5/31/2001 8:13:00 PM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer |
Quote: I don't see how free trade, allowing people to engage in voluntary transactions, can possibly be construed as welfare, robbing some to pay others. Can you explain, TIT?
When a national government enforces "free trade" so as to appease a potential foe, thus supporting a potential enemy's system, is welfare. Besides, it costs US jobs, and, in the case of China, directly promotes forced child slave labor. Personally, for that and many other reasons, I am morally opposed to trade with any totalitarian state. And I would like to add that so-called "globalization" of industries and international corporations are an evil. It reduces choice in the long run and destroys small economies and small business by concentrating wealth in an unhealthy way. Unhealthy because it robs the economy of individualized control, drains money from poorer nations by exploiting slave labor, amongst other things, and it blurs national sovereignty in the long run. *throwing rocks at WTO conventions*
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| TheInfamousThey | Posted: 6/1/2001 3:20:00 PM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer UB: Quote: And that's why the Nazis had the best aerospace technology (by FAR) and the ruissans got the first man in space.
OK, the Nazis got that one. The Russians just captured better German scientists that the US did. Quote: Do you hear yankee doodle dandy when you fart Tit? That's the thickest load of shit I've heard since Bush's (sorry, Cheney's) energy policy.
Fuck you. Your fucking country doesn't even have a history. (I know, I helped write two Canadian History texts that are used at the university level, and we had a real fucking hard time trying to find anything worth writing about. Oh, and BTW, get a real fucking flag. That maple leaf has got to go. And Newfy-lands flag looks like something a Mexican fighter pilot left in his pants after a 3 G role.
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| TheInfamousThey | Posted: 6/1/2001 3:23:00 PM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer Oh, the texts are called, "Origins: From Discovery to Confederation" and "Origins: From Confederation to Today." I got a research Award from the Canadian Federal Government for my contributions.
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| hogeye | Posted: 6/1/2001 4:33:00 PM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer |
TIT> When a national government enforces "free trade" so as to appease a potential foe, thus supporting a potential enemy's system, is welfare. By "enforcing free-trade" you apparently mean allowing people to trade without interfering. This, of course, is not welfare in any normal sense of the word. The alternative, which you appear to favor, is for a government to forcibly prevent or penalize trade by its subjects and other people. This would be an initiation of force and morally wrong. TIT> Besides, it costs US jobs, and, in the case of China, directly promotes forced child slave labor. Sorry, your economics is flawed here; trade enhances the production of wealth and is, overall a benefit to people living under the US. (I.e. protectionism is not only morally wrong, but its consequences are bad, too, in a utilitarian sense.) Your mistake is the usual that which is not seen error. You look at job loss in areas that Chinese people and firms could produce more efficiently than American people and firms. But you forget to look at the benefits to Americans as consumers who get a better value from Chinese goods, nor do you look at all the activities where Americans have a comparitive advantage over Chinese people, and thus gain jobs. As far as child slavery goes, spare me the propaganda. Eliminate the compulsory attendence laws in your police-state, then talk... TIT> Personally, for that and many other reasons, I am morally opposed to trade with any totalitarian state. Now this is a better approach: try to convince people to boycott, but don't forceably prevent them from trading using the state's police power.
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| Carlycurls | Posted: 6/2/2001 12:32:00 AM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer TIT - re: your history books. I hope you had a good proof-reader. *snort*
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| TheInfamousThey | Posted: 6/2/2001 5:10:00 PM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer Actually, I did! Actually, the biggest difficulty is the Canadian Orthography, which is substantially different in some aspects to US and British orthography (Brit ortho used to be used exclusively in the Southern US until the recently in some areas). I usually don't check gibe postings for spelling too often. "I are a college graduate; I speak English much more goodlier now!"
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| UncleBob | Posted: 6/2/2001 7:22:00 PM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer A bad workman always blames his tools...
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| TheInfamousThey | Posted: 6/3/2001 6:23:00 AM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer An asshole is alway pointing fingers, UB.
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| TheInfamousThey | Posted: 6/3/2001 6:30:00 PM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer UB: Quote: A bad workman always blames his tools...
That's what your woman says about you. (Sorry, couldn't resist)
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| UncleBob | Posted: 6/11/2001 9:37:00 PM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer Bush visits Europe !
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| TheInfamousThey | Posted: 6/12/2001 11:30:00 AM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer Aren't you glad he didn't go to Canada? He's also going to star in a new movie: "Bonzo goes to the Reichstag". Ronald Reagan co-stars as Bonzo.
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| SpankyJake | Posted: 6/12/2001 12:10:00 PM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer
Quick, everyone change the locks!
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| TheInfamousThey | Posted: 6/13/2001 8:59:00 AM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer "Dammit! This key opened the front door when I left. Pooky, did you pay the rent?"
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