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TrapperJabberPosted: 10/26/2000 6:44:00 AM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer

A Rice University prof determined the taxpayer tab
from all immigration in 1996 was 65 billion.

The revenue deficit from public assistance versus taxes paid averaged $2,668 per immigrant. Future
costs, from 1997 to 2006, will average 87 billion per year. The top 4 states: California (27 billion), New York (14),
Texas(6) and Florida (7).

Also, US taxpayers shell out more than 1 billion per year in welfare benefits for the children of illegal aliens according to a federal study. AFDC payments alone to these leeching rats grew from 500 million in 1992 to 700 by 1995. Talk about a mammoth loophole in immigration law.

Seems likes it's x-mas every month for aliens when you consider AFDC, food stamps and that
added incentive to come over and burden US taxpayers known as SSI. YES, US born children of illegal aliens also receive disability payments
from the Supplemental Security Income program. There is also rental housing assistance from the
Dept of Housing and Urban Development.

What a country!!

hogeyePosted: 10/27/2000 7:53:00 PM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer

TrapperJabber, the problem you cite is a problem with welfare policy, not with immigration policy. Some people might use your welfare money used statistic as a reason to hassle foreigners or prevent freedom of travel. This reaction, of course, would be wrong. What it shows is that the welfare policy must be changed (IMO ended!).

FelixTheEnginePosted: 10/27/2000 11:42:00 PM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer

Not to mention that they live five to seven adults (plus three or four kids per couple) for every average three bedroom house. So they each only pay about $150 a month total. That my friends, drives up the price of housing for everybody, and we end up getting screwed in higher rent, mortgages and property taxes. All because WE want to keep our way of life and THEY are willing to live in third world style squaller.

DEPORT THEM ALL.

RisenPowerPosted: 10/28/2000 5:42:00 AM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer

My little girl is learning spanish........Im glad......she'll teach me.......I know a little, but not as much as I want to know.......


PIMPLE

MaxwellPosted: 10/28/2000 9:08:00 AM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer

The surge of immigration has spawned bilingual education, which only sounds benign. Yes, applaud the who students voluntarily seek to learn a second language besides the national language. But in practice bilingual education, which exists in various degrees in all 50 states,doesn't mean English-plus.It means
encouraging linguistic and cultural separatism amoung immigrant population.

The feds bilingual education program has resulted in a cottage industry with a vested interest in promoting this separatism.

hogeyePosted: 10/28/2000 12:18:00 PM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer

Aww, poor little Felix. Those awful emmigrants competing with him for a job and for housing. Gosh, what audacity. Those emmigrants must think that the US allows free trade and pursuit of happiness. What morons! Felix, Maxwell and other Good Ol' Boys will disabuse them of that notion, pronto! Felix et. al. will use their government thugs to kidnap and jail or deport all those nefarious foreigners with their evil plots to provide for their families.



[end sarcasm] I couldn't help it. I just love to ridicule statist xenophobes. Besides, my serious point was ignored. (Why the artificial link between welfare and immigration? If welfare is a problem, reform welfare - don't use it as an excuse to hassle foreigners.)


SpankyJakePosted: 10/28/2000 1:43:00 PM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer

Yeah! Fuck 'em for living frugally and busting ass at the kind of jobs the rest of us don't want.

FelixTheEnginePosted: 10/29/2000 1:59:00 AM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer

Spanky,

LOL!

You'd feel differently if you had to live with it.

Jobs we (educated people?) don't want? Yes, nature and a capitalistic society both detest a vacuum. Frugal? Without a doubt, that’s why they grow rows of corn in the front yards of their suburban homes and burn their trash in the back instead of paying for trash pick up. Busting ass? I don't think so, lazy as hell, if they where really “busting ass” one family could afford the aforementioned house. Aside from that, where they not lazy, they would stay in their own country, get a job and fix the problems there. People who HAVE jobs in Mexico look upon the illegals here as lower than dirt, they are not only the dregs of our society they are the dregs of their OWN society.

I just don’t care for their third world mentality and sure as hell do not want America to become a third world country. We wouldn’t let spear chuckers in loin cloths hunt stray cats and dogs in our alleyways just because it was “their way of life”, would we? Well, maybe we would if Al Gore is elected (Heh!Heh!Heh!).

The point is we don't need them, those jobs could be filled in other ways, by other people. My uncle does landscape work for a living because he likes it, keeps his old ass in shape. Most of the country gets along just fine without them. The majority of the jobs they take have been, in the past, filled by teenagers. Maybe if the illegals where not here that vacuum would suck the teens in and teach them some responsibility by giving them something to do besides be Play Station zombies. Maybe not. However, these people have no respect for our laws, no respect for our way of life, no respect for us and most of them are more racist than any one you would care to mention.

Remember, they are ILLEGAL, that by definition makes them criminals.

And yes, as you say, Fuck’em. Heh!Heh!Heh!

TrapperJabberPosted: 10/29/2000 4:27:00 AM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer

Valid point h-eye but I would have infinitely more respect if they would pass up THIS free lunch and rely on that hard work
ethic. They should at least be required to become fluent before
the handouts start.

Looks like the taxpayers get shafted one way or another, either bearing the expense of incarceration for the illegal ones or
paying for the rugrats they drop the moment they step over the border.

When elected I shall mandate all of those little brown masses get pulverized into cat food.......now finish your breakfast
Felix.

elninoPosted: 10/29/2000 5:52:00 AM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer

OK then, Felix. What's your take on the Cubans and Hatians (not so much the Hatians; they're turned back a lot...) who hop on anything that floats and head north 90 miles and wash up on South Beach? Once you hit U.S. soil, you can immediatly request citizenship. Should they not be able to do that?

hogeyePosted: 10/29/2000 11:00:00 AM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer

Felix> if they where really “busting ass” one family could afford the aforementioned house.

Maybe one family can afford it, but is too thrifty to not rent out the extra space. In your cultural myopia, you don't notice the vast waste of housing space that Americans take for granted. There are a lot of reasons one might share housing, but you choose the one that portrays foreigners as lazy. Why is that?

Felix> Were they not lazy, they would stay in their own country, get a job and fix the problems there.

Tee-hee. The usual reason they move to the US is to find a job, and make more money. Why are they lazy if they work hard in the US but not lazy if they work hard in their home-country?

Felix> People who HAVE jobs in Mexico look upon the illegals here as lower than dirt, they are not only the dregs of our society they are the dregs of their OWN society.

These are your nationalist flaghumping counterparts in Mexico. If you have this tribal "us vs. them" mentality, then immigration is bad since it doesn't show proper servility to your nation-state. I get the same you're a coward/traitor for moving shit from US nationalists, because I chose to leave their nation-state for a freer life.

Felix> The point is we don't need them, those jobs could be filled in other ways, by other people.

All together now: Who is "we"? Obviously, many farmers and consumers and builders and people who need cheap labor benefit from them. Those people who "don't need them" are free to boycott them. What you are really saying, apparently, is that "we", the anti-foreigner bigot authoritarians, want to use government police power to prevent fellow Americans from hiring foreigners, and to prevent foreigners from freely competing for jobs. I find that attitude morally repugnant.

FelixTheEnginePosted: 10/29/2000 2:16:00 PM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer

Trapper,

Heh!Heh!Heh!
Pour me another bowl!!!

elnino,

I would not presume to make a judgment call on a situation wherein most of the information I have on the subject is from the mainstream media. That would put me in the same boat (if you’ll pardon the pun) as many people in the rest of the country, who call people who live in the boarder states (TX, CA, AZ and NM) bigots, racist, etc, etc.

My personal opinion is, that giving citizenship to Cubans is just an old cold war political ploy to piss off Castro. That may or may not be a good thing.

Aside from that, I cannot understand why someone would risk their lives floating 90 miles in a wash tub, and not be willing to risk their lives to change their gov’t. I would rather die by a bullet than by drowning but that’s just me. I guess the risk of the bullet is greater.

One rhetorical question, do the Cubans who come here want to BE Americans or do they just want to live in America and bring Cuba and all of its problems with them?

If Al is elected we’ll be kissing Castros ass soon enough, then the Cuban situation in our country may become a moot point. Except, for a bunch of really angry Cuban expatriates in Florida.

Get ready for the UWH! The United World of Homogeny, it’s coming and Al Gore is it’s prophet!


hogeyePosted: 10/30/2000 8:15:00 AM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer

Felix> If Al is elected we’ll be kissing Castros ass soon enough, then the Cuban situation in our country may become a moot point.

The future of Cuba is easy to predict. (It has nothing to do with Al.) Castro will die, the US will open up trade since it can then do so without 'losing face', and Cuba will become pretty much like south Florida, except independent.

Smart investors are already scarfing up beach property there...

RisenPowerPosted: 10/30/2000 10:19:00 AM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer

LETS SEE..........................

We have clinton wanting to sign into law......illegal immigrants that were here before 1986...tio get amnesty.........shoot for citizenship........

Sounds good huh??.........sounds like he really cares about these people huh??........

Not quite.........its all a political gain for his asshole annie Gor-inton...........let me explain.........

What makes this make him look so good on this is the point about him trying to get this through the senate........

See.......heres his 'plan'.........and I know that most of you here wouldnt see the 'curve' in the pitch......its too fast for you.........

When he puits this in front of the house.........they have 2 things to do........either they sign it (which would make him look good for the hispanics and win their votes).......or they can burn it (which would make it look like the Evil White republicans hate the hispanics.......which would give the dumb-a-crats votes).......so........either way.........this political manuever will gain the votes for the dumb-a-crats...........

PRETTY SMART HUH??............that Liar-In-Chief is a slick-willy........you have to watch him.........


PIMPLE

RichardCraniumPosted: 10/30/2000 11:08:00 AM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer

I guess you missed option #3, huh PIMP?

#3- These newly nationalized citizens get legitimate jobs, pay taxes and help our economy instead of resorting to crime, etc. to survive.

Funny how you use every single thing to demonize Clinton and Gore, even when it doesn't involve them at all?

Me personally? I'd rather have 210 working people living in my neighborhood, buying houses and cars, paying taxes, and keeping their property up than to have 150 people like that and the other 60 freed up to rip me off while I am at work.

I am NOT saying (BTW) that immigrants all resort to stealing, but you keep denying someone the opportunity to make it within the law and it doesn't take long for them to go outside it.

My father was fortunate- he came over in 1957 from Hungary. Do a quick search on the Hungarian Revolution to see what motivated him to leave. Fortunately, he was met by most US citizens with a little more tolerance than you people display. To this day he is as hard working a man as I could ever know, never stolen anything in his life that I know of, and is the type of neighbor you would want (keeps his yard up, etc). Under your policy, he would have been turned away or arrested- and I resent that type of closed-mindedness.

RisenPowerPosted: 10/30/2000 12:49:00 PM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer

RC.........LOL........Im not 'clinton bashing' like everybody seems to think.........I cant believe that you of all people cant see it........its a political thing.........

Im not saying what hes doing is a badd thing........Im saying that this motherfucker had 8 fucking years to do this.......but he never seemed to do his deed......but now.......close to the election for his anal pal.......he wants to do this.........

its a political thing..............look a little closer.......as a matter of FACT........heres a link for you to check out........here......

Yeah.......i cant stand the liar......hes a conniving fuck that needs to be 'outted'...........and he will be when that motherfucker gets out of the office.........and I cant fucking wait!........8 more fucking dayz till his doom.............HELL YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


PIMPLE

SpankyJakePosted: 10/31/2000 11:31:00 AM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer

Every Mexican, spic, wetback and beaner I've ever had the pleasure to work with busted their ass twice to three times as hard for around half the standard pay. They broke their backs working hard for their families and kept a larger family network at home to support and raise their children while they worked. Immigrant phobia is so tastelessly classist and anti-american. This land is NOT yours, it belongs to those who work and risk for it.

SpankyJakePosted: 10/31/2000 11:35:00 AM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer

Every Mexican, spic, wetback and beaner I've ever had the pleasure to work with busted their ass twice to three times as hard for around half the standard pay. They broke their backs working hard for their families and kept a larger family network at home to support and raise their children while they worked. Immigrant phobia is so tastelessly classist and anti-american. This land is NOT yours, it belongs to those who work and risk for it.

RichardCraniumPosted: 10/31/2000 12:49:00 PM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer

Nice post Jake- worth posting twice even.

Oh and uh PIMP? I would hardly call receiving that big fat pension and making tons of cash on top of that for touring lecture halls "doom", you've got crazy ideas about retirement man. Another thing, he's got some 70 days after Al is elected to do whatever he wants in office, Al won't be president until January.

elninoPosted: 10/31/2000 1:35:00 PM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer

I hate (and I do mean HATE) to make any sort of reference to anything that came from the collaboration af Sammy Hagar and the Van Halen Bros., but...

"Right Now, someone is working too hard for minimum wage."

elninoPosted: 10/31/2000 1:35:00 PM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer

I hate (and I do mean HATE) to make any sort of reference to anything that came from the collaboration af Sammy Hagar and the Van Halen Bros., but...

"Right Now, someone is working too hard for minimum wage."

elninoPosted: 10/31/2000 1:36:00 PM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer

Damn.

SpankyJakePosted: 10/31/2000 2:45:00 PM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer

No shit. I can't wait for iCab's final edition.

RisenPowerPosted: 11/2/2000 12:33:00 PM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer

RC......"""Another thing, he's got some 70 days after Al is elected to do whatever he wants in office, Al won't be president until January."""

Hell, I know that..........but Im talking about the vote-slingin'.......

Now........its 5 dayz!!!!!!!

78 dayz to be exact........


PIMPLE

elninoPosted: 11/2/2000 3:04:00 PM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer

VOTE FOR BROWNE!
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