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Topic: To Believe or Not to Believe |
| bigbrother | Posted: 1/31/1997 11:08:00 PM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer
That is the question…
| | Rooster | Posted: 2/1/1997 11:20:00 PM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer
That is also our right.
| | ReVoltaire | Posted: 2/6/1997 7:43:00 AM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer
Ripley's Believe It Or Not? Isn't it just
simpler if you believe all the things THEY
tell you to believe?
"I'm too chickenshitlazy to think for myself..."
| | firestarter | Posted: 2/7/1997 9:46:00 AM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer
It's certainly simpler for them if you blindly believe their primitive bullshit. That way, you're a nice quiet sheep , just waiting to die instead of living your life, because you've been promised a nice reward as long as you keep your mouth shut and don't ask questions. A little pathetic, really...
| | Robin9 | Posted: 2/11/1997 10:03:00 AM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer
Boy, if I were dealing with something as important as my immortal sould, I'd sure as hell ask a lot of questions, rather than accept blindly something as truth simply because my rabbi/priest/minister/father/mother told me it was true.
Regardless of theology, if there *is* a god, I would think that he/she would prefer us to think for ourselves. Why else do we have the capability of rational thought, the one thing that truly distinguishes us from the animals?
"Thanks for my mind, God, but fuck you--I'm not gonna use it."
| | broken | Posted: 2/20/1997 1:16:00 PM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer
This society is so pathetic. No, correct that,
YOU people are so pathetic. For the simple reason
that you ARE able to think for yourself through
free-agency you feel as if you are being repressed
or something. So you don't feel like being Christian,
so what? So I don't want to be Jewish, you don't hear me
bitching about it. God gave you a mind, so you say
fuck you because you can. God also gave you cock and
balls, but I don't see a line at the local
butcher's to get a little chop-chop. You have a mind,
true, why don't you use it a little more constructively
to PROVE that you can think for yourself.
"Thank you, thank you, thank you, and FUCK you!"
-Dr. Denis Leary
| | disturbed | Posted: 2/20/1997 1:16:00 PM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer
This society is so pathetic. No, correct that,
YOU people are so pathetic. For the simple reason
that you ARE able to think for yourself through
free-agency you feel as if you are being repressed
or something. So you don't feel like being Christian,
so what? So I don't want to be Jewish, you don't hear me
bitching about it. God gave you a mind, so you say
fuck you because you can. God also gave you cock and
balls, but I don't see a line at the local
butcher's to get a little chop-chop. You have a mind,
true, why don't you use it a little more constructively
to PROVE that you can think for yourself.
"Thank you, thank you, thank you, and FUCK you!"
-Dr. Denis Leary
| | art101 | Posted: 2/28/1997 12:59:00 PM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer
Wow. I'll tell you what I believe. I believe Dr. Leary is very, very angry. I also believe that roughly half my species has managed to bumble along without benefit of a cock or balls for their whole life. They are called "women." Anyway, that's another thread for another time.
Now then. Where were we?
| | Robin9 | Posted: 3/3/1997 1:21:00 PM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer |
I believe we were discussing whether people need to believe or not.
I don't question anyone's right to believe whatever they want to believe. I do, however, question their right to force me to believe the same way. I also question anyone's right to destroy any institutions associated with my beliefs in the name of "saving my soul."
One's beliefs should be presented calmly and rationally, with logical and rational proofs to support them. Otherwise, they amount to little more than superstition, IMNSHO. And as every knows, it's bad luck to be superstitious.
Let's suppose, for example, that I believe that the earth is the center of the solar system, and I wish to convince you of it. The way I would approach it would be to summon scientific, measurable evidence, not the writings of someone from 2000 years ago, before there were telescopes, and before Islam invented the science of astronomy.
Now, in our day, it wouldn't take too much effort on your part to demolish my arguments, for the simple reason that I would not be able to produce any rational, measurable evidence to support my claim, for the simple fact that there isn't any such evidence. Yet Galileo was forced by the church in his day to recant his beliefs, because the church said that his theories--long since proven valid--flew in the face of theological dogma. In fact, the Catholic church didn't overturn his heresy conviction until the late 1980's. It took the Roman Catholic church fathers that long to accept the fact that the earth revolves around the sun. So in that repect, his karma ran over their dogma.
Expanding that line of thinking, I personally would want some greater assurance than 20 centuries-old legend that someone performed miracles. Where is the proof, other than the unsupportable claims of a group of unknown "witnesses"? This should not be construed to say that I don't believe in miracles; but I don't accept them as proof of divinity. After all, depending on the miracle, they could easily be used as proof as demonic possession. As Arthur C. Clarke observed, "any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
Well, I guess I've rambled on long enough. Anyone care to respond? Logically and rationally? I've already abandoned several of the other discussions, since they've degenerated into name-calling and hostility. Any additional flames will be cheerfully ignored.
Robin
| | art101 | Posted: 3/3/1997 8:06:00 PM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer
Your post makes perfect sense to me, Robin. But then, I lack faith. I wonder how the faith factor works. Faith, a belief in unseen and unknowable forces that run this show, is irrational (not based on an examination of observable data). Someone with 'faith' can send me to hell (in their own mind) because I run my life on different standards than they do. I get real tired of that. When pressed by someone with faith to believe what they believe, say a born-again Christian or a born-again Scientologist, or a born-again Non-Smoker or whatever, I'm likely to knee-jerk a "fuck you with a stick until you bleed" response. Wars get fought over this sort of thing.
| | art101 | Posted: 3/4/1997 1:50:00 PM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer |
PS... a friend just sent this. I thought it was relevant:
"A thermodynamics professor had written a take-home exam for his graduate students. It had one question:
"Is hell exothermic or endothermic? Support your answer with a proof."
Most of the students wrote proofs of their beliefs using Boyle's Law or some variant. One student, however wrote the following:
First, we postulate that if souls exist, then they must have some mass. If they do, then a mole of souls can also have a mass. So, at what rate are souls moving into hell and at what rate are souls leaving? I think that we can safely assume that once a soul gets to hell, it will not leave. Therefore, no souls are leaving.
As for souls entering hell, lets look at the different religions that exist in the world today. Some of these religions state that if you are not a member of their religion, you will go to hell. Since there are more than one of these religions and people do not belong to more than one religion, we can project that all people and all souls go to hell.
With birth and death rates as they are, we can expect the number of souls in hell to increase exponentially.
Now, we look at the rate of change in volume in hell. Boyle's Law states that in order for the temperature and pressure in hell to stay the same, the ratio of the mass of souls and volume needs to stay constant.
So, if hell is expanding at a slower rate than the rate at which souls enter hell, then the temperature and pressure in hell will increase until all hell breaks loose.
Of course, if hell is expanding at a rate faster than the increase of souls in hell, then the temperature and pressure will drop until hell freezes over.
It was not revealed what grade the student got."
| | Robin9 | Posted: 3/6/1997 7:26:00 AM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer |
art,
Your point about faith was well made. I guess that my experiences growing up--my dad was a Lutheran minister--have made me very aware of the differences between faith and belief. Personally, I tend more towards the latter than the former.
To my mind, belief is the more rational of the two. I believe that the moon orbits the earth, and that the earth orbits the sun. I believe that smoking cigarettes can cause cancer. I believe many other things.
And why? Because I have seen and investigated the rational and scientific proofs offered as evidence; these ideas have--to me, at least--been proven satisfactorily as fact.
But let's look at faith. To me, faith is the acceptance as fact--or the belief in--something which has yet to be proved. It is faith that allows people to believe that Christ changed water into wine. Well, I live in California's Napa Valley, where we have an economy based on doing just that: vineyard owners spray thousands of gallons of water annually on their grapevines. Eventually, with the help of nature and of science, that water becomes wine. Faith also allows people to claim that they have raised the dead or walked on water.
Now, before the flames start rolling in, let me explain that I am not mentioning this to cast aspersions on anyone's religion. The point I'm trying to make is that, like Thomas in the Bible, I find it very hard to accept what can't be proven to me. I am not claiming that Christ did not perform the miracles attributed to Him; all I am saying is that given the fact that the only evidence we have is a book based on oral traditions that weren't written down until a couple of centuries after these purported events took place, they don't constitute proof for me. Please note that I do not claim that they do not constitute proof that the events happened. All I'm saying is that they don't meet my own standards of proof.
This, I believe, is where the line between belief and faith begins to blur. As a child, belief in Christ led to faith, in the sense that if one "accepts" Christ, then it follows that everything in the whole pantheon that has been erected around Him must be accepted as well. But I realized early on that Christ's followerd can't agree among themselves what to believe or disbelieve. Martin Luther was the first to demonstrate that the entire Roman Catholic Church was like a pack of cards: pull one out, and the whole thing comes crashing down. At the risk of belaboring a point, you may recall that Martin Luther never set out to destroy the Church (he was, after all, an ordained priest). He just sought to curb some of its excesses--notably the sale of papal indulgences. Ultimately, he was brought to trial on charges of heresy, at which point he questioned the validity of the papacy itself. His position was that unless the church could prove--by clear, scriptural evidence--that the papacy was a valid institution, he could not accept its authority.
Needless to say, the church could not do this. Instead of proving it--and thus allowing him to believe--it chose instead to convict him of heresy, excommunicate him, and subsequently go to war with several of the German principalities over the issue.
Ultimately, Luther's heresy was that he would not accept on faith what he could not believe without rational proof. And that, my friend, sums up my views on the difference between faith and belief.
Incidentally, I left the Lutheran church when it could not offer evidence for its beliefs, either.
Cordially,
Robin
| | smitster | Posted: 3/29/1997 7:31:00 PM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer |
Comparitive Analysis of World Religious Philosophies...
Taoism-- Shit Happens
Confuscianism-- Confusius say "Shit Happens"
Buddhism-- If Shit Happens, it really is not Shit
Zen-- Shit only Happens when it does not Happen
Hinduism-- This Shit Happened before (and it will Happen again)
Islam-- If Shit Happens, it is the will of Allah
Protestant-- Let Shit Happen to someone else!
Catholic-- If Shit Happens, you deserve it!
Judaism-- Why does Shit always happen to us?
Atheism-- Shit Happens for no apparent reason.
Agnosticism-- I think Shit Happens.
Baptist-- I believe Shit Happens! (Amen!)
Jehovah Witness-- Let us in and we will tell you why Shit Happens.
Scientologist-- Feces occurs.
Hare Krishna-- ShitHappensShitHappensShitHappens...
Existentialism-- I Shit, therefore I am. (Defeco ergo sum)
New Age Religion-- Shit came to me in a vision...
Rastafarianism-- Let's smoke this shit.
Paganism-- If you send shit out into the world, it will return to you threefold.
Mormons-- If shit happens, the Church gets 10%
Stoics-- This shit doesn't bother me.
Hedonists--- There's nothing like a good shit happening.
Jehovah's Witness-- Knock, knock. Shit happens.
Athiesm-- No shit.
New Life Christian-- Pay us money or shit will happen.
Quantum Physics-- The probability that shit will happen is...
Quantum Physics 2-- Shit is a wave and a particle!
Branch Davidianism David Koresh-- I am the shit!
Occultism-- I see shit happening in your future...
Bhaiism-- Same shit, different pile
--------------------------
Well, that should about cover it.
| | Ven | Posted: 3/30/1997 5:02:00 PM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer
A couple of other twists on the concept I once saw in that list and liked:
Agnosticism - "What is this shit?"
Atheism - "I don't believe this shit."
| | naturallyblonde | Posted: 3/31/1997 2:29:00 AM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer
Not to mention:
Christianity: Jesus died for your shit.
Agnosticism: Shit may or may not happen, but i really don't care either way.
Both from personal experience :-)
| | Anthrax | Posted: 1/13/1998 1:43:00 AM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer
Athiesm: Don't take shit from anybody.
| | Zardoz | Posted: 1/13/1998 11:26:00 AM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer
A Bizarre turn of events:
Athiesm is a Belief.
Weird
| | Anthrax | Posted: 2/7/1998 12:20:00 PM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer
huh. No sense of humor, Zardoz?
| | americopithicus | Posted: 10/2/1998 12:41:00 AM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer |
not all atheists are anti-theistic, or for that matter, *believe* in "science"
any more than they *believe* in God ... believing is the first mistake, its an
act of intellectual self-deception
for all of u who don't understand 'atheists', some categories...
upper-case Agnostics: God is unknowable, can't be sure either way
lower-ase agnostics: really don't give a shit, doesn't like the word 'atheist'
lower case atheists: really don't give a shit, just don't make me pray
upper-case Atheists: Superstitious morons believe in God
Antitheists: same thing
Meta-theists: God is unknowable, but so is Cthlulhu, Jesus was the love
child of Mary & Zeus, and any God that fucks/eats/burns/shits
we-mere-mortals is worthy of worshipping while either drinking morning-glory
tea and tripping your brains out or casting spells or throwing bones
in backyard temple. Monotheism is a self-deception, monolatry is OK, idolatry
is perfectly appropriate so long as you don't kill anything during sacrifice..
others? like....
Deists: The big bang is God
Satanists: The big gang-bang is God
| | SpankyJake | Posted: 10/2/1998 1:25:00 AM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer
"upper-case Agnostics: God is unknowable, can't be sure either way"
-More like it is beyond the scope of the human mind to truly answer the question. God could very well be "knowable", just not to us; at least currently.
| | hogeye | Posted: 10/2/1998 2:38:00 AM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer
I'm God and I'm knowable.
God - the Ultimate Evaluator
| | SpankyJake | Posted: 10/2/1998 1:18:00 PM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer
Man, that's exactly as I pictured you.
What are the odds?
| | hogeye | Posted: 10/3/1998 11:55:00 AM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer
That's amazing. I used to be active in SFNet when it had a message board like this. (SFNet was one of the original 'coffee-house' networks, with condom covered terminals at various places around the Bay Area.) At a physical 'net-get' in Goldengate Park I finally met some of the folks I'd been mailing. Almost all of them were surprisingly different than I'd envisioned.
| | six | Posted: 5/19/1999 10:38:00 AM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer
Or what about how to believe? I believe in god but i do not attent church because i don't like organized religion. I do believe that there is some sort of higher power in our minds not in reality, and that it gives people with no hope something tohold on to, but i will go to no church and bow down to no master like a trained monkey and live by rules which do not suit me. I have morals and i know what is right and what is wrong according to law, but what is my life if it is not mine to live? If i am living my whole life feeling guilty that someone died for my sins when the guy came back!!! The bible has too many loopholes in it to be believable and the monkey training has got to stop.
| | Streetboy | Posted: 5/19/1999 12:26:00 PM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer
6 - The bible has too many loopholesLeave the cornfield much, or having too much fun with your cuzins?
| | six | Posted: 5/20/1999 9:16:00 AM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer
I don't get your train of thought on that one streetboy but that doesn't matter. I am sorry but i have read most of the bible and it leaves out things that we have scientific proof of. But either way it wouldn't destroy my world if i found out that the bible was written by some ass with a desire to take a joke a little too far.
| | Streetboy | Posted: 5/20/1999 11:03:00 AM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer
6,!!BONK!!
hint - bible
| | SpankyJake | Posted: 5/20/1999 11:25:00 AM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer
Gots you panties in a wad 'cuz she didn't capitalize it?
| | Streetboy | Posted: 5/20/1999 11:28:00 AM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer
couldn't care less. And I don't like underwear.
| | six | Posted: 5/21/1999 10:30:00 AM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer
ahh but panties and underware are not always one in the same!
| | Streetboy | Posted: 5/21/1999 11:28:00 AM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer
Meant wearing it (or others wearing it). Now if you'll tie me up with your panties, that kind of bunching will work for me.
| | six | Posted: 5/22/1999 10:09:00 AM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer
Kinky....was that a proposition?
| | Streetboy | Posted: 5/22/1999 3:03:00 PM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer
Especially since you are under 18.
| | RisenPower | Posted: 5/22/1999 4:06:00 PM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer
Under 18!!!!!!
Thats a 10 do 5 where I am!
PIMPLE
| | NoF8 | Posted: 5/22/1999 4:10:00 PM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer
That's a "go for it, enjoy yourself" where I am.
NoFate
| | RisenPower | Posted: 5/23/1999 9:14:00 AM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer
Holy shit!!!!!!!!! Its under 17 (IF youre 17 or over that is).
PIMPLE
| | six | Posted: 5/24/1999 8:13:00 AM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer
Yeah but it is only illegal if u get caught! Someone has to press the charges ya know!
"play hockey and sleep around are the two funnest things to do in cold weather"
| | RisenPower | Posted: 5/24/1999 8:34:00 AM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer
Hockey?????????
Whatchu know about hockey?
PIMPLE
| | Streetboy | Posted: 5/24/1999 8:51:00 AM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer
6,
Cummon over. I like that attitude. I won't tell if you wont.
| | six | Posted: 5/25/1999 8:21:00 AM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer
I know lots about the youth hockey programs but not too much about NHL, why?
Alright but its gotta be on the down low, well actually why would I care if u get 5 to 10?
| | Entity05 | Posted: 6/21/1999 1:23:00 AM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer
It would seem that this thread has all but gone to the dogs, but I would like to submit that there have been scientific studies that indicate a certain portion of the brain is "allocated" (for lack of a better term) to the belief in a higher power, meaning that it is very possibly hard-wired into humanity to seek out something greater than he to give his life meaning.
I look forward to your input.
| | YakkoWarner | Posted: 6/21/1999 9:27:00 PM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer
...and this information comes from... ?
| | SpankyJake | Posted: 6/22/1999 2:07:00 AM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer
Is that the part that can't figure crap out for itself?
| | hogeye | Posted: 6/22/1999 8:00:00 AM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer
And this part of the brain is missing from atheists???
| | Entity05 | Posted: 6/26/1999 12:14:00 AM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer |
Again, I'm not sure which study it was that revealed this, but it was an interesting point. I mentioned it because I thought maybe one of you might have heard of something of that nature -- apparently not. And yes, that may very well be the part of the brain that "can't figure crap out for itself", because it is a very natural thing to want to feel secure. This is just one of the ways that we can reach to achieve such a thing, although some would rather go about it in a different manner. I don't know if it's "lacking" in atheists, as you mentioned, but I believe that it is possibly something that you have overcome -- whether that is something we should all strive to achieve, I cannot say.
If you don't believe that such a thing is possible to be hard- wired into the human brain, then by all means, look into it and let me know. I'm curious to determine it's validity, because, at the very least, it's something to consider, obviously moreso if it's based in scientific evidence.
| | uhnoi | Posted: 4/24/2001 7:37:00 PM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer
I believe in better living through denial.
| | Linchpin | Posted: 12/12/2001 6:28:00 PM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer |
Since the filters were offline I found myself reading this thread from the beginning (gibers roll their eyes “here we go”) and was struck by the tone of the thread being primarily about how inadequate people find existing expressions of matters spiritual.
Overall in the entire beliefs area many post are hostile to the point of denying the very foundations of Idealism for lack of objective, demonstrable criteria.
I found it interesting that the more hostile of these post betrayed passion that could not possibly come from an objective, detached philosophy.
I love that young people rebel. Every “truth” that was given to them must be scrutinized in order for it to become their “truth”.
So in ones spiritual life, every concept of God (my apologies for the personal pronoun it was simply the highest symbol around) must similarly be scrutinized. It is only when every notion of God has been set aside that that which is not a “thing” shines through.
Maybe instead of “To believe or not to believe” the question should be “What does it mean to believe or not to believe”, is it even possible to be truly in a state of un-belief? What is the root of passion? Can pragmatism or rationalism or hedonism fill the bill? Is passion just an emotion or feeling, or is it inextricably entwined in the ideal?
“ To believe or not to believe “ I think the answers is “yes”.
| | TheInfamousThey | Posted: 12/12/2001 8:11:00 PM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer |
I think that "spiritual" thought can be of a purely intellectual nature. Who need faith when one has experience?
I rememe going to a lecture given by Joseph Campbel many years ago. Joseph Campbell was describing how, in Hinduism and it's various forms and outgrowths, that everything animate or inanimate was a manifestation of the thranscendent "energy" that is called "Brahman." evcen "God" is a manifestation of this transcendent enery and not it's source. When everything is viewed in this way, one sees the "face of God" in everything, including one's self, making one's innermost "self" "God," or a manifestation of "Brahman". Then one experiences "God" and "god" no longer exists by faith, but rather by experience.
The term "God" is just s concept or a symbol that is a reference to the "transcendent." One must go beyond one's concept of "God" if one is to actually experience "God," as it were. It's like the story of the moth trying to reach the flame in a lamp. The moth keeps battering himself to pieces on the piece of glass that seperates him from the flame. Finally, the moth, by some way, gets past the glass, enters the flame and burns up, as he becomes consumed by the flame, and becomes "one" with the flame.
All religion is a metaphore for the transcendent and religions fuction to inform one's relationship to the universe. When you take religions seriously, that is, when you get stuck in the metaphor and concretize that metaphor so as to take it literally, that is when you get into trouble. When you think about religion as simply a metaphore that explains, in metaphorical ways, one's relationship with the univers, then one can appreciate what all religions have to say. It's tough to understand unless you've studied Eastern religion, etc., though.
Here's a story that explains this metaphorically, and, in a sense, literally:
I was in a store getting cigarettes and gasoline about 10 years ago. There was a man and his wife who were Cherokee Indians. There was also a Fundy kook passing out Holy-Roller pamphlets to anyone and everyone in the store. He proceeded to hand a pamphlet to the Cherokee Indian. The Cherokee looked at the pamphlet, and sensing an opportunity to have some fun with the situation, and asked who the picture of the bearded man on the page was (the picture depicted God as a bearded old White man on a throne). The Fundy said that it was God, and that he should know that it was God and that god was White. The Cherokee then said to the Fundy, "How dare you be so arrogant to think that God should reveal himself to me in the same way that he reveals himself to you." I nearly passed out laughing as the Fundy stormed out of the store.
| | Carlycurls | Posted: 12/13/2001 6:33:00 PM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer
I just finished reading "Oceanic" by Greg Egan - what a heartbreaking little story. According to him the phenomenum of *faith* might be rooted in biochemistry, nothing more.
| | TheInfamousThey | Posted: 12/13/2001 6:41:00 PM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer
I read that one too. It's a distinct possiblity. I ate payote once and it was a religious/biochemical experience.
Just think, the Catholic Church could increase it's following by putting LSD on the communion wafer.
"Hey, Father, stop making the sign of the cross, it's leaving trails and making me dizzy. And, shit, what with the downer tunes, man? Hey, organist, do you know "Lighter Shade of Pale?"
| | Roadrunner | Posted: 12/14/2001 8:11:00 AM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer
You know, that could certainly be true. One time at a party I watched and listened to a guy on PCP sitting under a streetlight, talk to God. Not sure but it seemed like God was talking back.
| | TheInfamousThey | Posted: 12/14/2001 9:15:00 AM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer
Now there's a concept: a drug that you take that gets other people high! Think of the possibilities! One could lock one's self in a room with one's worst enemy and OD!
| | Roadrunner | Posted: 12/14/2001 2:37:00 PM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer
Proof that God is really alive - and marketing.
MIAMI, Florida - Last month roadside advertisements for the lottery and local television stations along Interstate 95 were joined by the white-on-black billboard question: "What Part of 'Thou Shalt Not.....' didn't you understand? - God." Drivers on a jammed commuter road faced this warning in the same unadorned lettering: "Keep using my name in vain, I'll make rush hour longer," also signed simply "God." Another sign reads: "Think it's hot here?"
None of the billboards are attributed to anyone but God.
| | elnino | Posted: 12/14/2001 5:15:00 PM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer
Uh, yeah, great.
Welcome to 1998 (when they first came out)
I hate those ones on the sides of buses:
" 'Mommy, I'm a girl!' - Jessica, 3 seconds after conception. Choose Life".
Sure, whatever......
| | TheInfamousThey | Posted: 12/15/2001 8:59:00 AM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer
Eve, naked from the waist down, wearing a T-shirt that says: "God created the world in 7 days and all I got was this lousy T-shirt."
| | Roadrunner | Posted: 12/16/2001 6:51:00 AM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer
I hope the T-shirt was wet. Hear tell she had nice hooters.
| | TheInfamousThey | Posted: 12/16/2001 10:58:00 AM - Reply with Quote ~ Find Messages From this User ~ Refer
Just like New Zealand Apples.
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